Nabokov calls curiosity “insubordination in its highest form.” I wanted to examine what happens when you get curious about something as systemic as racism. This is the first of what I anticipate will be a series of conversations.

My profound thanks to Marty Swaim, Monique Brown and the many other people who create the space for curiosity, conversation and sharing stories — all those things that make Challenging Racism possible.

Listen to Choose to be Curious #15: Curiosity and Challenging Racism – with Marty Swaim and Monique Brown.

…Moe Brown and I recorded a follow-up conversation. Listen here.

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